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世界驴慈善协会CEO Mike Baker :通过理解与合作实现驴产业转型 发布时间:2018-03-19

2017年10月13日,在世界农场动物福利大会上,世界驴慈善协会CEO MikeBaker 先生接受了采访,讲述了他对世界驴福利事业的看法。

 

“依我来看,这届世界农场动物福利大会十分成功并成果骄人。我们看到了政府、官员、杰出学者及业内人士的罕见的担当和出色的演讲。对动物福利的理解及担当程度也令人钦佩。这几天非常振奋人心。动物福利国际合作委员会做得很出色。中国的开放程度及像动物福利国际合作委员会这样的组织所采取的方法给我们留下了十分深刻的印象。”

 

据MikeBaker先生,驴是一种奇妙的生物,很聪明、友善并富有好奇心。“它们看上去或许像马,但是行为更像狗。”在英国德文郡,世界驴慈善协会的总部所在地,有4000多匹曾被虐待、遗弃或无人照料的驴被饲养照料着。“我们尝试着让它们离开这里,和人们生活在一起,少数的驴被人们照料着,因为我们相信这样它们会有更好的生活。与此同时我们帮助这些驴。当你看到差别时,一定会觉得难以置信。生活在恶劣环境中的驴,例如在埃及用驴来运砖,我们估计这些驴大约18个月后就会受伤并再也无法工作。目前在我们协会的驴,平均年龄是33岁,年龄最大的驴有54岁了,所以说它们可以活的很久。”

 

“世界上约有5千万头役用驴,亿万人依靠这些动物维持生计、采集水和木材,驴被使用于整个运输结构中。”役用驴的福利问题包括因过度劳动、缺少饲料、坏的鞍具使用等带来的应激。“大多数依赖驴生活的人们十分贫穷。为了生存他们必须让动物无休无止地劳动,因而驴劳累而亡或受伤。实际上,人们基本不会故意伤害或者残忍地对待他们的驴。通常只是由于缺乏知识,更常见的是人们没有钱或资源去照顾他们的驴。这就是我们能帮助到的地方。至于役用驴,它们是可以在劳动的同时获得良好的福利的。在接受我们机构帮助后,我目睹了很多驴从生病、营养不良和饥饿状态转变为健康快乐的役用驴。驴的主人也十分开心,既可以挣更多钱又可以将他们的动物照料好。尽管我不是一个乐观的人,但我坚信我们可以对世界各地的驴带来巨大的变革性影响。”

 

作为世界最大的马科慈善协会,世界驴慈善协会在全球近40个国家展开工作,帮助提高驴的福利。“只要有驴的地方,你就能找到世界驴慈善协会。”协会同当地社区合作,通过提高对动物的理解,提供专业知识并帮助建立动物的基础设施,来帮助照顾驴使人们和动物同时受益,比如培训人们制作鞍具和给驴钉马掌。

 

但是发展养驴业会十分耗时并且困难重重。“为了满足行业供应需求,需要非常多的驴以及很多年才能达到。由于驴不是一种易于养殖的动物所以很少有大规模的养殖。它们一次只产一胎。繁殖一头驴需要花费一年多的时间。驴发育完全还需3至4年时间。所以这不是一个快速简单的过程,而且驴也不喜欢生活在狭窄的空间。在拥挤的环境下,驴会产生强烈的应激反应。应激会令驴紊乱甚至死亡。这是一个非常严重的问题。中国很有可能是第一个尝试进行这种大规模养殖驴的国家。我们非常愿意同驴业合作来确保引入动物福利。我们曾同驴奶业合作,例如在意大利,我们通过行业合作来制定生产标准和方针。这样可以给养殖业带来好的动物福利。我们十分希望与中国不断发展的驴养殖业进行商谈。”

 

MikeBaker先生还提出了替代方案,如在实验室研发驴胶原蛋白。“在实验室,这其实很简单。人们经常在实验室培养人体皮肤,或人体皮肤的关键部位,并用培养物做测试。所以对于驴皮来说这样做也十分可行,在实验室可以用低廉的价格进行大量培养。这将是真正的驴皮,也是真正的胶原蛋白,即阿胶的主要成分。这样也许可以解决整个问题。它可以满足行业所需,既可以让人们获得需要的东西同时也不会对驴造成任何伤害。替代品的好处是它不会取代产品。产品会保持原样,但是获得其成分的途径将会改变。这样可以进行大规模生产,提供稳定供应的同时不会伤害动物,而且没有所有的养殖问题了。”

 

MikeBaker先生希望引起公众对驴问题的认识,尤其是驴皮交易,了解驴在中国的情况以找到帮助驴的最好办法。“我们希望能够以积极地建设性的方式参与业界。我们发现的问题也是行业内的问题。希望我们可以一起合作共同解决这些问题。”

 

 

 英文:

Transform theDonkey Industry through Understanding and Collaboration

AnInterview with Mr. Mike Baker, CEO of the Donkey Sanctuary 

“Frommy perspective, World Conference on Farm Animal Welfare has been a verysuccessful and impressive conference. We have seen very rare commitment andimpressive talks from governments, officials, prominent academics and peoplefrom the industry. The level of understanding and commitment to animal welfareis very impressive. It has been a very very encouraging couple of days. TheInternational Cooperation Committee of Animal Welfare has done a great job. Wehave been very impressed by the openness of China and the approaches byorganizations like ICCAW.”

 

Accordingto Mr. Mike Baker, donkeys are wonderful species, being intelligent, friendlyand curious. “They may look a little like horses, but they behave more likedogs.” In Devon, UK, where the Donkey Sanctuary is based, there are over 4000donkeys that have been abused, abandoned or have nowhere to go cared for insanctuaries. “We try to get them out to home, because we believe they will havea better life alongside people, small numbers of donkeys being cared by people.In the meantime, we help the donkeys. It’s incredible when you see thedifference. A donkey in a very severe environment, in places like Egypt,carrying bricks. We estimate it to be about eighteen months before it is brokenand unable to work anymore. Yet, the average age of the donkeys at the DonkeySanctuary is 33. We actually have one donkey that is 54 years old. So they canlive a long time.”

 

“Thereare about fifty million working donkeys, and hundreds of millions of peopledepend on these animals for their livelihoods, for collection of water andwood, the whole transport structure.” As for the welfare issues for workingdonkeys, the donkeys can become stressed through overwork, lack of feed, badsaddles. “Most people that depend on the donkeys are desperately poor. Theyhave to work the animals very hard to make a living, but the donkeys becomekilled or injured. Actually, it’s very rare for people to be deliberately cruelor harmful to their donkeys. It’s simply either a lack of knowledge, or moreoften, people don’t have money or resources to care for them. That’s where wecan help. In terms of working donkeys, it’s perfectly all right for donkeys towork and have good welfare. I have witnessed a lot of donkeys transformed frombeing sick, malnourished and hard-starved to happy healthy working donkeysafter we have been working alongside the community. The donkey owners are alsovery happy, making more money, but also caring for the animals. I’m not anoptimist person by nature, but I believe we can make a massive transformativeimpact for donkeys across the world.”

 

Asthe largest equine charity in the world, the Donkey Sanctuary works in almostforty countries all over the world to help improve donkey welfare. “Anywherewhere the donkeys are, you will find the Donkey Sanctuary.” The DonkeySanctuary works in partnership with local communities and helps care for thedonkeys to benefit both people and animals by promoting understanding of theanimals, providing expertise and helping set up infrastructure to support theanimals, for example, training people to make saddles and put shoes on donkeys.

 

However,donkey farming can be time-consuming and challenging. “It would take many manydonkeys and quite a few years to build the number that would actually satisfythe industry supply. Donkeys are rarely farmed on a mass scale as donkeys arenot an easy animal to farm. They produce one donkey at a time. It takes over ayear for that donkey to come. It takes three or four years to come to maturity.So it’s not a quick or easy process. Donkeys also do not like being in veryconfined places. In crowded situations, donkeys can become very stressed.Stress can actually disorder or even kill the donkeys. It’s a very seriousissue. In China, it’s probably the first attempt to farm donkeys on this scale.We are keen to be engaged with the industry to make sure that welfare is embedded.We have worked with the donkey milk industry, for example, in Italy, producestandards and guidelines by working with the industry. That can lead to goodwelfare in farming. We would be keen to discuss with the donkey farmingindustry growing in China.”

 

Mr.Mike Baker also suggests alternative methods, like developing donkey collagenin laboratories. “In laboratory, that’s actually quite simple. People oftengrow human skin, or at least, key parts of human skin in laboratories, andusing that for testing. So that’s perfectly feasible to do that with donkeyskin, grow it in laboratories quite cheaply on a mass scale. That would begenuine donkey skin, then genuine donkey collagen, which is the main ingredientof ‘ejiao’. It potentially could resolve the whole issue. It would allow theindustry to get what it need. It would allow the humans to get what they need,but without causing any harm to the donkeys. The beauty of the alternative isthat, it wouldn’t replace the product. The product would remain the same. Butthe way you get the ingredient would change. That can be done on a reasonablylarge scale, provide a steady supply without harming animals, and without allthe problems of farming.”

 

Mr.Mike Baker hopes to raise awareness of issues around donkeys, particularlyaround donkey skin trade, and understand the situations of donkeys in China soas to find out the best way to help the donkeys. “We want to constructivelyengage with the industry in a positive way. The problems we see are problems ofthe industry as well. Hopefully, we can work together to deal with that.”

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